The 10 Doc Savage Novels That Were Quick or Slow to Be Published

Nov 15, 2013 by

The 10 Doc Savage Novels That Were Quick or Slow to Be Published

The Polar TreasureIn a previous column we listed the order Doc Savage novels were submitted to the publisher. We weren’t finished. Below we have the five novels that were quickest “submitted to published” in days. We used the submitted date and subtracted it from the first day of the published month. (Yes, we know the novels weren’t published on that day, but we needed a consistent date.)

After the Quickest Five we have the Slowest Five. They are the novels that languished the longest on the editor’s desk.

Quickest Five
Days
43 The Polar Treasure
68 The Man of Bronze
71 The Land of Terror
85 The Roar Devil
87 Quest of the Spider

The Motion MenaceSlowest Five
Days
547 Mad Eyes
573 He Could Stop the World
574 The Magic Forest
608 The Rustling Death
688 The Motion Menace

Update: Nov 15, 2013: The current Kenneth Robeson, Will Murray, just noted on Facebook: “The motion menace actually knocked around for a year before being written, making it three years….”

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The Generic Doc Savage Title

Aug 26, 2012 by

The Generic Doc Savage Title

If you are 15 years old, and really bored, you may decide to count the words used in Doc Savage titles.

You may hide this from your mother who finds you a bit too obsessed with the books in the first place.

Years later, with the advent of inexpensive home computers you check your work. You decide that you were pretty close. Not bad for a bored 15 year-old.

What had you found? Well, the most used word is the. This isn’t a big suprise since most books started with the. How many? 119 with 13 serving their place in the middle of titles.

As a matter of fact, there are 599 total words in the Doc Savage titles (counting hypenated words as 1 each, of course) and 37 words occur at least 3 times. Still with me? After “the” the (are you trying to say this out loud?) next most used word is of(26). That’s no suprise, but it’s followed by Death(13), Terror(12), and some form of Devil(11). The others used 5 or more times are: Man(9), Men(6), Black(6), in(6), Island or Isle(6), Fear(5), and Mystery(5).

I guess the generic Doc Savage title would be: “The Terror Death” or “Terror of the Death Devil”. Wait, I kinda like that last one. Wasn’t that the May ’36 issue?

You say you want to see all the words?
Wordle: DocSavage.Org Doc Savage Title

Originally published sometime in the late 90s.

DC Doc Savage Comic Completes Run with Digital Release

Jul 5, 2012 by

DC Doc Savage Comic Completes Run with Digital Release

Hate it (most everyone) or love it (who are you?), the 2010-2011 DC Doc Savage comic came to a crashing halt with a digital only release of the final issue. Doc Savage Number 18 is available at ComiXology for the fair price of $1.99.

What happened to the First Wave Doc Savage?

I was listening to an interview with Brian Azarello recently – he was ‘in charge’ of the First Wave line – and basically summed up his position on the demise of First Wave by saying: “I guess people just weren’t as interested in reading about these characters as we thought they would be.”

I like a lot of Brian’s writing, and had all of First Wave been written at the level or the mini-series, I would have kept buying the series, but it wasn’t, and what kind of tics me off is that his comment is more than a little disingenuous, because they didn’t give us the characters, they gave us revisions and proxies for them – which can be fine if you improve on the original concept, but for me none of these (except, as noted The Avenger backups) were interesting enough reads. — Schnitzy Pretzelpants, Comic Book Resources

Hidalgo Trading Company readers disliked the comic from the start and, while some thought it got better with a new writer/artist team, it just died on the pulp vine.

If you must read the complete run, it’ll cost you a bit less than $36 for the digital versions.

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Doc Savage on the Funny Pages

Apr 2, 2012 by

Doc Savage on the Funny Pages

Doc Savage Comic Strips by Dave Cockrum

We rarely feature Doc Savage material that doesn’t reside in the Hidalgo Trading Company. (Links get moved, sites close, and other problems just remind us it’s better to keep everything in-house.) That said, rush over to Rip Jagger’s Dojo to read The Return of Dave Cockrum’s Doc Savage — two weeks of Doc for the funny pages.

The Doc Savage Waiting Game

Mar 6, 2012 by

The Doc Savage Waiting Game

May 1933

For the sake of argument pretend you were born around 1920.

Now jump forward to when you turned 13. (Let’s say May 17, 1933.)

You’ve been buying each issue of the new Doc Savage Magazine as soon as it hits the newsstand. (Where are you getting the money? You sell Grit.)

You become successful. From Grit you graduate to the New York Times. Pretty soon you’re in college, but you never stop buying Doc Savage Magazine. They’re taking up room in the attic, but Mom loves to have something of yours at home.

You’re kinda sad when you buy the last issue just before your 29th birthday. You hoped to have a son and introduce him to the Fabulous Five.

Flash forward to 1964. You’re 44 and you do have a son. He’s 13 and he finds the Bantam copy of The Man of Bronze at Parrino’s Drugstore. He’s hooked!

After a few months you’re disappointed to find they’re not in the order you remember. You’d get out the old issues for the boy, but you threw them away when your wife convinced you to build her a sewing room in the attic.

You had the pool room downstairs. What could you say?

The years go by. Bantam re-releases Docs in something that looks like random order. Sometimes one a month…sometimes months between reissues. It’s OK. Your son doesn’t care what order as long as Bantam publishes them all. he’s a collector.

It’s October 1990. You’re 70. You’re on the porch with your grandson. He’s 13. (Amazing how that works.) He brings you a book he found at Hawley-Cooke. He remembered you and his Dad talking about the Man of Bronze. He’s found a copy of Doc Savage Omnibus #13.

You look over Up From Earth’s Center and get that feeling again. You tell your grandson it’s been over 40 years since you saw that story and you still remember it.

“Fourty-one years and three months, grandpa.” You’re happy the kid inherited his mother’s smarts. You think aloud, “I wonder what the longest it was between when a novel came out and when Bantam reprinted it?”

The next day your grandson gives you a printout. It’s a list of all the novels and the length of time between pulp publication and Bantam reprint publication.

“I figured it out for you Grandpa. You had to wait an average of 37 years and 8 months between the time a novel was first published and the time Bantam reprinted it.”

You give your grandson a funny look. Gas, but he misinterprets it.

He shows you the list. “See here Grandpa? The Green Eagle came out in July 1941 and Bantam reprinted it in May 1968. That’s 26 years and 10 months.”

“That would have been the shortest wait. The longest was Bequest of Evil. It was first printed in February 1941, but Bantam didn’t reprint it until June 1990.”

You look up, “That’s, uh, almost 50 years.”

“49 years and 5 months, grandpa. I put them all on that printout I gave you.”

You smile at the boy and think, “He’ll give up all this foolishness as soon as he discovers girls.”

Bantam # Magazine # Wait # Bantam Title Years Months
24 101 1 The Green Eagle 26 10
25 95 2 The Devil’s Playground 27 5
29 83 3 The Other World 28 9
30 76 4 The Flaming Falcons 29 5
23 68 5 Fortress of Solitude 29 6
37 81 6 Hex 29 7
40 82 7 The Dagger in the Sky 29 9
2 17 8 The Thousand-Headed Man 30 3
41 77 9 Merchants of Disaster 30 3
39 74 10 World’s Fair Goblin 30 4
42 75 11 The Gold Ogre 30 6
3 13 12 Meteor Menace 30 7
9 23 13 The Mystic Mullah 30 10
14 34 14 The Fantastic lsland 30 11
28 56 15 The Deadly Dwarf 30 11
12 29 16 Quest of Qui 31 0
7 14 17 The Monsters 31 2
15 33 18 Murder Melody 31 2
5 11 19 Brand of the Werewolf 31 3
21 43 20 Cold Death 31 4
57 79 21 Poison Island 31 5
13 25 22 Land of Always-Night 31 6
1 1 23 The Man of Bronze 31 7
6 7 24 The Lost Oasis 31 7
11 19 25 Fear Cay 31 8
4 4 26 The Polar Treasure 31 10
33 50 27 The Terror in the Navy 31 10
34 51 28 Mad Eyes 31 10
16 26 29 The Spook Legion 31 11
59 72 30 The Yellow Cloud 32 2
10 10 31 The Phantom City 32 3
8 2 32 The Land of Terror 32 4
50 61 33 Devil on the Moon 32 4
20 27 34 The Secret in the Sky 32 6
27 36 35 Mystery Under the Sea 32 6
36 45 36 Resurrection Day 32 6
56 65 37 The Giggling Ghosts 32 6
49 57 38 The Sea Angel 32 7
58 66 39 The Munitions Master 32 7
48 55 40 The Feathered Octopus 32 8
55 58 41 The Golden Peril 33 0
65 69 42 The Green Death 33 0
66 71 43 Mad Mesa 33 0
67 73 44 The Freckled Shark 33 0
63 64 45 The Submarine Mystery 33 2
32 32 46 Dust of Death 33 3
47 47 47 Land of Long Juju 33 3
62 62 48 The Pirate’s Ghost 33 3
54 53 49 He Could Stop the World 33 4
64 63 50 The Motion Menace 33 4
61 59 51 The Living Fire Menace 33 5
46 42 52 The Midas Man 33 7
53 49 53 The Mental Wizard 33 7
17 6 54 The Red Skull 33 9
18 8 55 The Sargasso Ogre 33 9
26 20 56 Death in Silver 33 9
52 46 57 The Vanisher 33 9
45 38 58 The Men Who Smiled No More 33 10
31 22 59 The Annihilist 34 0
19 5 60 Pirate of the Pacific 34 2
51 40 61 Haunted Ocean 34 2
22 9 62 The Czar of Fear 34 4
38 24 63 Red Snow 34 5
94 143 64 The Hate Genius 34 5
35 18 65 The Squeaking Goblin 34 8
44 21 66 The Sea Magician 35 2
78 78 67 The Crimson Serpent 35 2
98 146 68 Cargo Unknown 35 3
106 154 69 The Screaming Man 35 7
60 31 70 The Majii 35 8
97 141 71 Satan Black 35 8
43 12 72 The Man Who Shook the Earth 35 10
100 142 73 The Lost Giant 35 10
79 70 74 The Devil Genghis 35 11
82 86 75 The Evil Gnome 36 1
96 125 76 Mystery on Happy Bones 36 3
74 48 77 The Derrick Devil 36 5
75 52 78 The Land of Fear 36 5
81 80 79 The Stone Man 36 5
85 87 80 The Boss of Terror 36 6
101 136 81 The Pharaoh’s Ghost 36 7
104 137 82 The Man Who Was Scared 36 9
71 35 83 Murder Mirage 36 10
72 37 84 The Metal Master 36 10
73 39 85 The Seven Agate Devils 36 10
86 84 86 The Angry Ghost 36 11
87 85 87 The Spotted Men 37 0
103 134 88 The Whisker of Hercules 37 0
107 140 89 Jin San 37 0
70 30 90 Spook Hole 37 1
99 127 91 Hell Below 37 1
90 89 92 The Flying Goblin 37 2
77 44 93 The South Pole Terror 37 4
109 138 94 The Shape of Terror 37 5
76 41 95 The Black Spot 37 9
114 145 96 The Ten-Ton Snakes 37 9
83 67 97 The Red Terrors 37 10
91 91 98 The Purple Dragon 37 10
110 132 99 Death Had Yellow Eyes 37 11
130 178 100 The Swooning Lady 37 11
102 119 101 The Time Terror 38 0
129 177 102 The Angry Canary 38 1
69 15 103 The Mystery on the Snow 38 2
92 88 104 The Awful Egg 38 4
111 131 105 One-Eyed Mystic 38 5
93 90 106 Tunnel Terror 38 6
84 60 107 The Mountain Monster 38 7
108 121 108 The Black, Black Witch 38 7
105 117 109 They Died Twice 38 8
68 3 110 Quest of the Spider 39 0
113 123 111 The Talking Devil 39 7
142 175 112 The Pure Evil 39 7
89 54 113 The Magic Island 39 10
112 113 114 The Man Who Fell Up 39 11
147 174 115 I Died Yesterday 40 1
146 173 116 Once Over Lightly 40 3
145 172 117 Let’s Kill Ames 40 5
144 171 118 The Monkey Suit 40 7
80 16 119 The King Maker 40 8
143 170 120 No Light to Die By 40 9
116 112 121 The Speaking Stone 41 0
115 111 122 Pirate Isle 41 1
120 122 123 The King of Terror 41 2
134 152 124 The Thing That Pursued 41 3
182 181 125 Up From Earth’s Center 41 3
126 129 126 The Secret of the Su 41 4
125 128 127 The Goblins 41 5
136 155 128 Measures for a Coffin 41 5
133 149 129 King Joe Cay 41 6
181 180 130 Return From Cormoral 41 6
119 116 131 The Laugh of Death 41 8
151 166 132 The Disappearing Lady 41 8
155 169 133 Danger Lies East 41 8
180 179 134 The Green Master 41 9
88 28 135 The Roar Devil 41 11
122 115 136 The Fiery Menace 42 1
150 161 137 Fire and Ice 42 1
118 106 138 Peril in the North 42 2
121 114 139 The Three Wild Men 42 2
138 144 140 Strange Fish 42 4
141 147 141 Rock Sinister 42 5
179 176 142 Terror Wears No Shoes 42 5
154 158 143 Five Fathoms Dead 42 7
117 98 144 The Golden Man 42 10
137 135 145 The Three Devils 43 1
128 124 146 The Running Skeletons 43 2
172 165 147 The Devil Is Jones 43 3
159 153 148 Trouble on Parade 43 4
176 168 149 The Death Lady 43 4
153 148 150 The Terrible Stork 43 5
175 167 151 Target for Death 43 5
124 100 152 The Headless Men 43 6
135 130 153 The Spook of Grandpa Eben 43 6
170 162 154 Three Times a Corpse 43 6
167 157 155 Terror and the Lonely Widow 43 8
169 160 156 Colors for Murder 43 8
174 164 157 Death in Little Houses 43 8
171 159 158 Death is a Round Black Spot 43 9
177 163 159 The Exploding Lake 43 9
163 151 160 Terror Takes 7 43 10
162 150 161 The Wee Ones 43 11
168 156 162 Se-Pah-Poo 44 0
123 92 163 Devils of the Deep 44 2
158 139 164 Weird Valley 44 6
132 107 165 The Rustling Death 45 0
131 103 166 The Mindless Monsters 45 4
127 97 167 The All-White Elf 45 5
156 126 168 The Mental Monster 45 7
140 108 169 Men of Fear 45 8
139 102 170 Mystery Island 46 2
149 110 171 The Magic Forest 46 4
178 133 172 The Derelict of Skull Shoal 46 7
165 120 173 Waves of Death 46 9
164 118 174 The Devil’s Black Rock 46 11
160 105 175 The Invisible-Box Murders 47 8
166 109 176 The Too-Wise Owl 47 8
148 93 177 The Awful Dynasty 47 9
161 104 178 Birds of Death 47 9
157 99 179 The Pink Lady 47 10
152 94 180 The Men Vanished 47 11
173 96 181 Bequest of Evil 49 4

Originally published on DocSavage.Info and one of the many early incarnations of the Hidalgo Trading Company

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The Timeline of the Bleeding Sun

Feb 13, 2012 by

Bleeding Sun Cover

Cover of Bantam 127

Quite a few years ago there was a shenanigan perpetuated by Doc Savage fans. Well, not all of the fans. Just a few. At dinner during a Pulpcon, a few of us marveled over the lists of Jay Ryan. In a homemade collection of sheets Jay has assembled all sorts of information about the various editions of Doc Savage. We wondered, “What if Jay has missed one?” Many eyes lit up and we agreed…there had to be a novel that Bantam had planned to publish. One that had been announced. Cover art commissioned. Maybe even a few copies were printed for book reviewers.

And Jay had missed it.

What follows is the timeline of that shenanigan. Written almost 14 years ago, the timeline has been resurrected for DocSavage.Org. As for Bleeding Sun itself, now that new novels are being written, we’ve pulled all fan fiction from the Flearun Yahoo newsgroup..

First, we had the idea for the shenanigan. Next we had a cover. Then we had the back cover blurb.

8-4-1998 Doc and his courageous crew race to the Far East to combat the Axis plague! Can they solve the mystery of an insidious new weapon certain to turn the tide of the war? What causes the sun to turn red and ships to disappear? Can mere light really turn a man to smoke and ashes? Will Doc and Monk save Ham in time or will he too die under a bleeding sun?

Then, Bill had a story idea.

Email 8-6-98 This is my idea on the story line. Doc and Long Tom are in Norfolk working on a new radar system for the Navy in preparation for the invasion of Japan. The head of Naval intelligence, Admiral J. Ryan, disappears after a strange red cloud appears in the Navy base in Norfolk and causes ships to melt and turns men to ashes. Doc analyzes the remains and discovers a rare element that is only found in the coastal islands of Japan. Doc and Long Tom immediately take off for Japan in hopes of finding Admiral Ryan before he reveals the secret plans for the invasion.

We didn’t have a real novel though. Bleeding Sun might have ended then and there. Then another email from Duane.

Email excerpt 8-13-98 Meanwhile, I have a weird idea: If you think it’s worth trying, I’d like to take the ideas everyone’s thrown out about #127 and actually take a stab at writing the “unpublished novel.” (Okay, okay, I’ve always had a grandiose dream of wanting to be one of the Kenneth Robesons.) You could serialize it on your site as the Chapter of the Week or something like that.

A great idea! Which led to a lot of hard work. Two years of hard work. Using the barest bones of the blurb he began writing Bleeding Sun. I promised to publish each chapter as he finished it. At a chapter per month I figured we’d have the novel finished by Pulpcon 2000. Of course, neither one of us counted on family and careers delaying the project.

I doubt Duane let Bill’s idea and my cover blurb dictate his novel. We didn’t discuss how he planned to plot the novel and my editorial interference was limited to a couple of suggestions.

Email 10-29-1998 After reading the two adventures that supposedly precede and follow “Bleeding Sun” — “Trouble on Parade” and “The Screaming Man” — it’s clear that the Doc who appears in 1945 is quite different from the Doc of the early 1930s. Even the language and tone that Dent uses is quite different. So I’ve tried to combine a little of both the early 1930s and 1945. I hope it works. — Duane

I know he had planned the tone and timing of the novel pretty early on. There are a few familiar names used as character names and I want to state emphatically that all characters in this novel are fictions and any resemblance to persons living or dead is unintended.

It was wonderful reading each new chapter as Duane mailed them to me. Even more I enjoyed being able to read the complete novel in one weekend last week. I hope you’ve enjoyed this welcome addition to the Doc Savage cannon as much as I have.

Now if I can just convince Duane to start writing Terror of the Death Devil

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